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farley

I'm no winemaker, but I remember something one once told me about natural yeasts. Do you think the issue might be that you were making the rose' from the first grapes that were brought in and that you typically get more naturally-occurring yeasts further into the harvest? Just a thought.

lagramiere

Farley, I'm really not sure, it could be that, but if we had waited any longer, we would have ended up with another 15 degree rosé!! I think we'll try to make a starter (levain) in 2008. Meaning that we'll pick some grapes at least a week in advance and get them fermenting so that we can add it to the rosé juice right when we bleed it off... Thanks for your ideas!!! Amy

farley

No problem. That sounds like a good idea.

I'm new to the blog. It sounds like you guys are fairly small, so I'm thinking your wines probably don't make it over here?

Even

Great post with interesting questions!

Concerning no yeast addition in California...there are plenty, as in many, who do not add yeast including some of the who's who... Helen Turley, David Ramey, John Kongsgaard, Ted Lemon, for example.

Also, it's worth noting that a majority of the yeast companies are European. Laffort and IVC are French and Lallemand was started by a Frenchman who moved to Canada.

Plenty of the new guard Pinot producers are using all the tools available and in my opinion, making a wine that does not resemble Pinot!!

Domenico

I think Alice is great, sort of the Maureen Dowd of wine. Hm.

Anyhow, I don't know about California but in Italy there is a similar movement afoot, no doubt inspired my France, to use natural yeasts only. At least there are many professions of such purity and so forth. I'll take them with my usual grains of salt and a couple of Advil.

Domenico

BY France, I meant. God, I need a proofreader. One who doesn't drink wine with dinner.

Steve L.

Wow--what honesty. A lot of us boobs out here who just drink wine (like me) can forget how hard it can be to make it, and that things can go terribly wrong for no apparent reason. How many winemakers faced with your conundrum would manipulate the wine or, worse, just bottle it or sell it off.

During 30 days in France I tasted about 40 'natural wines.' That's 'natural' as defined in your report: organic, no additives, low sulphur (except that at one shop NO sulphur is the mandate). Many were lowly vin de tables. I was flabbergasted by the overall quality--several bottles had me so hooked I found it difficult to stop tasting. Your post helps me better appreciate the effort and skill that goes into crafting such elixirs.

wineguy

Here in Santa Barbara: Babcock, Santa Barbara Winery, J. Wilkes, Whitcraft, Benjamin Silver all use natural yeasts, just to name a few.

Alice

Hi Amy, Thanks for the kind words. There are people who use natural yeasts in the New World but MOST then throw in 'super food' (urea)to 'feed' the yeasts. Which given the propensity to pick at such high brix, is kind of needed so the yeasts don't peter out. The yeast is important but it's got to be in synchronicity with the wine making.

Your rosé account, by the way, is brilliant. And beautifully honest.

EL

My colleagues in the US almost all use commercial yeasts. In the US we are taught that natural yeasts are dangerous and can yield off flavors. A professor at the University in Bordeaux told me last year that if anyone in France says they use natural yeasts, they are lying. I'd like to here him say that to Olivier Humbrecht or Lalou Bise-Leroy.

In Burgundy it is quite common to use natural yeasts. Commercial yeasts are killer yeasts. They are designed to overwhelm and kill all the other yeasts. Very effective but just another element that brings homogeneity to wines, i.e. another way to lose terroir. With reds though it is easier to use natural yeasts, the juice/wine macerates on the skins where much of the yeasts reside. Whites (and I imagine rosés) can be tougher because you press off the skins early in vinification. There are many producers who systematically inoculate whites but not reds.

That all being said, if a cuve of La Tache stopped fermenting, I'm sure without a doubt it would be inoculated immediately. The winegrower's first responsibility is to save the wine. You gave the natural yeast their chance and they did a good job but they are too exhausted to finish the task. Using commercial yeast to ferment 7 grams of 200+ grams of sugar is nothing really.

However, unless I was legally constrained, I would leave the sugar. At 14.8 degrees, the alcohol is already going to compete with the fruit flavors. The sugar on the other hand will give the fruit a boost. Further, I believe that roughly 50% of the population can perceive sugar at 5 grams/liter and more than 90% at 10 grams/liter. 7 grams is really on the edge of perceptibility and isn't that really what a natural wine is?

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